Hypertrophy Coach Joe Bennett- The Core of Hypertrophy Training

know what you’re talking about.
As long as I just claim the name, then there’s that.
Yeah.
So this is the guy.
He’s the guy.
And if you don’t know Joe, you have
bachelor’s, exercise science, along with multiple certifications.
It’s just a ramble of letters
of RTS, bioprint PICP, Matt.
I mean, you name it, Joe has it.
But what’s more importantly is the rubber hits
the road and he actually can apply it
because he worked with thousands of clients by
now of getting people results in the gym.
So all those letters and stuff are kind
of meaningless and you don’t have that other
later piece to go with it.
Anyway, Joe, welcome to our podcast.
Pleasure to have taken the time. Yeah.
Thanks for having me, man.
I’m glad to be here.
What’s going on in the world, the Hypertrophy Coach?
Nothing much.
I’m living the dream.
I got to always say that part
first and foremost because basically I couldn’t
make it as a professional bodybuilder.
I think I realized that around my run 20 or so.
But the goal of being a professional bodybuilder
was to get paid to be a bodybuilder.
And I am doing that.
So I made it there one way or another.
I’ve made it to the top of the mountain. My goal.
No, but I’m great, man.
Honestly, life is good.
And my life revolves mainly, honestly, around
being a dad with my perch be
coaching, stuck in the middle there.
But no complaints, man.
Good stuff, man.
Everything’s going great.
I think the scribbles on the
whiteboard tell the whole dad thing. Yeah.
No, that’s actually the secrets.
If I purchase, I have tears to my membership.
This one’s like $1200 a month.
And I’ll decrypt all this for you.
But yeah, that’s levels.
That’s one of my only fans or fans
only or whatever it is that I purchase. I have that.
Are you still building onto your home gym or
is that a pretty built out done deal?
You have everything you want in it. Yeah.
That’s pretty sad.
Honestly, that was first and foremost built for my
wife because I’ve always liked to train my wife.
She always enjoys it when I train her.
And obviously before kids, she’d come to wherever I was
working at that point in time, and I trained her.
Then as soon as you have kids, things kind of change.
And then honestly, realistic, a few years ago, we
realized the only way she was going to train
is if we had a garage gym.
And so I really built that for her and that’s
where the only place she trains as of right now.
And then obviously, with everything that’s occurred in
the world this past year, it came in
handy because there were a couple of weeks
when I really know what’s going on.
And so I trained there a little bit.
I want to have some equipment in there, too.
So if I just feel like training in there, I can.
But for right now, it’s a done deal.
But we’re looking to eventually.
I’m still relatively new to the Tampa area.
We’ve been waiting a while before we buy anything.
But if I buy something, hopefully within the next
year or so, I actually want to probably have
a bigger gym on the property just because. Why not?
People collect cars and stuff and I’ll
have a gym at my house.
I might as well, right? Yeah.
I think all body villain meet heads.
We always want some type of gym.
I love the Florida area.
I think the idea of being that close to the beach.
But then, of course, I wouldn’t
want like a big mechanic garage.
And then I would just train at Joe’s house, I guess.
Yeah, right.
He wants a badass or have like, goods go to a gym.
But the idea of, like, we were starting
to get some equipment, they were like, no,
we’ll just go back to the gym now. Oh, yeah.
But yes, eventually you build out your dream house
where you have two different garages and each or
whatever, you got your own Lake or something.
Yeah, something like that. Yeah.
I mean, I’m kind of spoiled anyway.
Like, I live with the gym I train at now.
I pretty much built out and it’s like
a full legit gym, and it’s literally like
60 seconds down the road from me.
So where I’m at now, I don’t
really need something in my house anyway.
It’s another reason I’m living the dream.
And super spoiled people now hate you.
So now we’ll continue with our conversation. Yes.
Carry on hating me.
Yeah.
Well, with high perch fee and you being the
man, that’s what we want to dive into today.
So we just want to first just break into the conversation
with just kind of train theory a little bit boiling down
to one of those big rocks on physique progress.
People come to you and what are really
the main points that you’re having to pull
out to get them to continue progressing forward?
Yeah, it’s such a big thing now.
And it’s so funny to think about my perspective
on training for myself from first taking clients to
training a lot of normal people to how now
kind of working more kind of exclusively with the
elite or higher level in the bodybuilding world.
I honestly always try and take
a step back with everybody.
And really, I think it’s a big thing that everybody
skips whatever level you’re at the training world and not
the answer most people would anticipate, but kind of talking
bigger picture stuff like, why are you training?
What are your training goals even at the high level?
Because again, it’s like some of us just get on
autopilot and there’s obviously something whether you look at it
something about bodybuilding that appeals to us or there’s something
wrong in bodybuilders brains that makes bodybuilding appeal to us
where it’s like we just kind of get in and
we plug in and we do our robot stuff.
And some of it’s great, obviously.
But some of it is I think people just
robot along and just kind of end up at
a point and maybe don’t spend enough time thinking
about why they’re doing what they’re doing.
Kind of like your beginning of like, hey, let’s take
a step back and look at the needs analysis, right?
Yeah, for sure.
And honestly, it stems from I always say
that’s the number one job of any coach
or any trainer is manage expectations.
I always want to know where someone is coming from.
Obviously, what is their end goal.
So obviously, what do they want different at some
point than where they’re at now and then kind
of obviously seeing where their actions are at now
and then just kind of reconciling the two because
it’s not always just on paper.
Like, I look at like, oh, well, this exercise is dumb.
Let’s do this one.
And here’s why this one’s smarter.
I mean, all the things that make people is
very important and especially at the very beginner level.
So if I’m working with Mrs.
Jones for weight loss, then I honestly think there’s 100
different I don’t think I could ever stop writing different
programs that could achieve a good result if she’s adhered
to a diet and just kind of moving some big
stuff while they’re in the gym.
Obviously, as you get more and more specific with your
goals, you want to do well in the Olympia stage.
I think we start to you’ll see a lot
of commonality between a lot of good coaches.
But I think a lot of my
stuff stems from the notion of efficiency.
How can we be as efficient
as possible with what we’re doing?
And so even at the high level,
though, I think there’s one big takeaway.
If we start to talk more about Terrace and
people that I work with is like when we’re
actually in the gym, it’s not like we’re not
getting protractors out and getting all into I mean,
it’s like the normal conversation you would have.
I’ve worked with Terrence honestly for so long now.
We did a lot of stuff right when we
kind of started working together was like an overhaul.
But now there’s certain things where it’s like
we could have ten different movements we want
to do to accomplish a goal.
So it’s conversations with him. How is the feeling?
What does he want to do?
We run something in the ground, we switch it.
I think the big thing is that it’s everyone’s
just kind of unemotional about it for the most
part, where it’s like, some stuff is like, I
think people would be surprised how quickly we can
switch from one thing to the other.
If I was like, on paper, I’d rather have you doing
it this way, but then he performs it another way.
I’m like, fuck, let’s just go with that.
But at the same time, every once in
a while do something fucking super nerd.
But it registers the same in my brain.
Like, there’s a joke.
I’ve modified a preacher curl in my gym
that I’m actually yet to take a picture
of because it’s literally just such a fucking
nerd modification that everyone’s literally.
Not that I actually care, but I know as soon as
I post a picture of this and I have just wanted
to say, does anybody know what’s going on here?
People are just going to fucking lose their mind
and you reinvent the wheel and over complicated stuff.
But for me, it looks like a complicated thing.
But the reality is, as soon as they have, like, Terrace
gets all the stuff at this point in time anyway.
But if I have to get on it and I say, hey, try
this, does this feel better for what I was trying to fix?
Oh, yeah, it feels great.
And that’s the same thing any meathead would.
Some measure will look at this and
be like, oh, it’s so complicated.
I’m like, okay, cool story from behind your thumbs.
If they ever came to the gym, they’d be like, oh,
this is the best curl I’ve ever used in my life.
They wouldn’t know why.
So anyway, all that rambling aside, I think when I have
somebody come in, it’s just so different all across the board
as far as what we’re trying to look at, what we’re
trying to approach, and the way I’ve done things now more
than anything else is I always like to start with where
people are at and what they’re already doing.
And even before I try and change anything from
volume to exercise prescription or anything like that, I’m
like, all right, let’s see what you’re doing.
Let’s just start to take you through that, and
let’s just talk through it as we’re going.
So very typically, I might have somebody just
go through if they say, hey, the normal
thing, what’s your priority body part?
Okay, my priority body parts, legs. Okay.
What’s a typical leg day look like.
Let’s get after it.
And basically, as we’re going
through that, I’ll find stuff. I’ll find either one.
Is it just something that we can keep and we
just need to improve the way that they’re doing it?
Is it something, whereas we’re going through something?
They’re telling me all the things that reasons why
this exercise actually isn’t a good fit for them.
And they basically with enough questions, they’re going
to admit to themselves, like, oh, sure.
I didn’t think about that.
I didn’t think about that until it’s like, okay,
well, maybe we’ll try this different thing in the
future or we’ll modify this or whatever it is
again, at this point in time, it’s honestly a
very different thing from person to person.
And I guess obviously the same thing every single trainer
should do to a certain degree, as I just kind
of take it as that stuff comes, what do they
show me and what do we want to adjust?
And then the big thing, obviously, is it really
comes down to the way people are doing things.
Because even if somebody comes to me with an
exercise that’s again, on paper, not great for whatever
reason, if they love it, then I’m like, all
right, well, let’s just see how we can get
the most out of it, stuff like that.
So I always just think first and foremost, execution,
how we’re doing the things that we’re doing.
And then depending on where the person is with
that, we can start looking at other variables pretty
quick, even within the same session or for some
people, I’ve had it’s literally weeks before we even
start to talk about anything else.
As far as how many sets should we do, how many reps
should we do, how far should I take this to failure?
I have somebody I’ll joke, I’ve had some relatively
elite people that perform and exercise like a newborn
baby gazelle, like walking for the first time.
And I was like, well, what the hell is
the point of, like, not the people ride gazelles.
We’re going to put a rider on your back.
I should use the horse
analogy, newborn baby horse walking.
We’re not going to put a horse or a ride
around back right away or another horse on their back.
That’d be weird too.
But so it’s like, let’s fix that first.
Let’s take a look at that. Let’s clean that up.
Because why would any other variable
matter until we address that first?
So I guess that’s some of the ramblings of what I
think about when somebody comes in for the first time.
And honestly, it’s just so
different from person to person.
At this point, I don’t even really think,
like, I have much of a template as
far as what’s the first session look like.
What am I thinking about?
What am I trying to accomplish?
And it’s the cool thing, too.
The thing I love about bodybuilders.
And like you said, regardless of me being a wildly
mediocre bodybuilder, I’ll be the first to say it.
I dominated my household, so every night when I
pose down for my wife, I fucking crush it.
But it’s on stages against
other bodybuilders just okay.
But the thing is, I can honestly say anyone that knows
me like, I’ve been as into bodybuilding as you can possibly
be since I was 15 from an action standpoint.
So that’s the thing when I get somebody that comes into
me that might be a higher level guy or whatever.
I mean, I can relate.
And so it’s like, honestly, that’s half of the
way, I just like to pick people’s brains, see
where they’re at, get them talking, and then we
just kind of take it from there. Yeah.
And I think you have people go
in all types of different camps. Right.
Like, you want the person that comes to
you, and that gets like the template program. Right.
What is the Joe program?
I don’t want to do that.
Or they want this completely new change.
And that’s the expectation almost.
And you need to manage those expectations.
Like, hey, I want to come you get to
John Juicing, because what I’m doing is not working.
Why isn’t that working to begin with?
And what do you need?
I think there is a disconnect there.
A lot of times I see between what you
need to where you’re trying to go and what
you’ve been doing, because you just get stuck doing
the same thing over and over again.
I nerd out reading research and all these stuff.
We’ll even have these studies where they take a group
of clients and they throw them into the new training.
Right.
And they want results.
Some guys don’t get results.
You’re like, well, why did that happen?
Oh, we didn’t look at what they were
doing before they came into the study.
And now that they’re doing those things we’re seeing.
Okay, well, this now is a more
optimal approach for them, or it wasn’t.
So I think making that connection between, hey,
don’t just jump to the next training.
It might not be best for you.
Look at what you’re currently doing
and how you can improve it.
Why is that not taking you through
that process and your needs analysis. Right.
Of what you’re trying to do?
Because that’s how I started a lot of people.
It’s like, let me see your
physique, let’s see your stage picks.
Let’s see who you’re competing at.
Where do you need to glue some clay on?
Why current program doing that.
And it’s exactly what you said.
Like, we can do all the right volume,
we can make all the right ticks on.
Yes, you’re trained to failure, whichever.
But if it’s all quality one, you’re
being very inefficient, more out of less.
Well, that’s one that’s going to save you
time and save you probably entry risk.
And I think that’s a great starting point.
And then you can address, like,
okay, you’re doing quality work now.
You can do more with that quality work if needed. Right.
To go there. Yeah.
So when someone is coming in and we have these things,
like they’re going into the gym, is this work quality?
And you have these kind of more
subjective things that you’re bringing up. Right.
Hey, Terrence, do you feel this?
I think that almost becomes lost
with a few of these people.
That get too nerdy with things, right? Yeah.
I feel like, hey, my humor needs to be
at, like, the 45 degree angle with the torso,
and it finishes at five degrees Celsius. Whatever.
It’s like, Whoa, do you even feel in your back?
Will know.
Who cares about all the vector angles?
Do you feel it?
What are those other cues that you’re trying?
A lot of people that, hey, people listen to this.
Like, I’m not growing.
Let’s give an example.
What was Terrence’s big issue or working
with him for his arms or biceps?
Was it probably the biggest thing with him? Yeah.
Arms, I would probably say, were his big thing.
I mean, when he first started,
arms, hamstrings were probably it.
And then everything else just kind of like
I mean, almost all of his training could
be a little bit more efficient.
That’s the thing about Terrence, which is why it’s great
to work with this because he doesn’t have an ego.
So it’s one of those things.
He’s always had a huge back.
He’s always had big quads.
So I joke that I was like, oh, we
started training like, he didn’t have legs before.
I’ll just take credit for everything,
like any good coach would.
But no, he already had those great body parts.
But that’s the cool part about improving
all of your training anywhere is like,
if we improve training anywhere, even those
good body parts obviously will progress faster.
So for Terrence, it was mainly arms.
But honestly, we took away a lot of stuff, like,
things we didn’t really anticipate trying to get his chest
and dealt so much bigger, and they just kind of
responded really well, cleaning stuff up a little bit.
It’s a combination of those things where
it’s because again, there’s two sides of
the nerds do with everything.
Like one as a coach, I don’t think it’s completely bad
to have a little bit of a framework as far as
you do kind of position your people a little bit. Right.
Because, you know, there’s going to be opportunities where if
you see someone grossly out of position, as far as
just things are going to line up a certain way.
Like, all right, well, I’m going to put you in
this position because this is where you’re most likely to
have these internal things that you should be looking for.
And that is the beauty of bodybuilding.
I mean, it’s one of the things where it gets lost.
People don’t realize.
And that’s one of the things I love from RTS,
which is one of my favorite certifications I’ve gone to.
And Tom Purvis, who started
it, he started his bodybuilder.
And the interesting observation that he’s made is
bodybuilders before any other training population realized.
It’s about an internal response. Right.
I mean, people really give bodybuilders enough
credit realizing that they’re the only population
thinks about, what do I actually feel?
Can I actually feel the training muscle
where everything else from a normal person,
even to people that are performance based.
It’s all about A to B.
You kind of have this vague notion of oh,
I want this to line up with this, whatever.
But nobody else thinks about that.
It’s just going in and just checking the
box and doing all that kind of stuff.
So that is the cool thing with bodybuilders
is they have an idea of what that
feel is that they’re looking for. It comes in.
Obviously there’s a conversation about what they
are feeling, what they aren’t feeling.
A lot of people I do start with that.
If someone actually knows the feeling that they’re
looking for, then we just have a conversation
about, okay, well, what’s your best body part?
How old do you feel that?
What’s your worst body part?
How old do you feel that?
And sometimes if I have where there’s depending on
the person a little bit of a disconnect.
I mean, that’s the truth of human nature is
people don’t believe things that other people tell them.
They only believe things they tell themselves.
So it’s normally I’ll have an idea of kind of
almost these guided questions where it’s again, even though I’ll
have somebody that comes in that’s maybe into it or
not into it, I have no idea.
And through enough questions they’ll realize the
biggest difference between their best body part
and worst body part often isn’t performance.
Like I’ve had people with shit chests that can bench
four or five plates and they’ll realize, oh shit.
Well, my good body part, I feel doing everything.
They feel every single exercise if their backs, their
good body part, they can be doing baby handle,
big handle, wide handle, up handle, whatever.
And every single thing goes to back.
And so I do start with that notion
of let’s put yourself in a position where
hopefully we can create that thing.
And then from there it’s just a whole bunch
of different queues that could be different for everybody.
Right.
Because again, queuing me giving an external something
to try and again have this internal response.
So it’s a whole bunch of back and
forth of okay, well, let’s try this.
Let’s try this position.
Let’s start thinking about this one.
You can track let’s think about this
when you finish or whatever it is.
And I even like great stuff.
I mean, I remember when I was
a kid reading Arnold’s encyclopedia, Modern Bodybuilding.
I remember love reading when he would talk about
visualization in there, like visualize your biceps of mountain
and doing all this kind of stuff.
Some of it’s mildly cheesy, but some of it’s like
if something connects with somebody, there’s no bad queue.
Right.
So all that kind of stuff, it
really does kind of start with that.
It starts with feel, it starts with execution.
And then that’s the nice thing is I
rarely have to balance that with bodybuilders.
But I’ll get nerds that do the other thing.
Aside from just getting the protractors out and shit, I’ll
get nerds that they look for the wrong feel. Right.
I’ll have people where they just have everything.
I always talk about this where there’s a
very specific feeling associated with different muscle lengths.
Like if you just tell some random person
off the street, like, flex your bicep.
No one in the history of humanity has ever
taken their elbow completely extended and flexed their bicep.
Everybody completely flexes their
elbow, flexes their biceps.
Even though we’ve never taught someone how this
is the way you flex your biceps, it’s
because the muscle is fully shortened there and
you can feel the bicep really well.
There a fully lengthened bicep
certainly doesn’t feel the same.
Doesn’t mean it’s working any less, doesn’t
mean it has any less force production.
But there is a feel associated with that.
And so the funny thing that I
found is some nerds will just basically
chase that hard, crampy, contraction type feeling.
And that’s the funny thing where you’ll just see anecdotally
you look at someone’s program, and it might be the
idea where it’s like, well, I don’t do squats because
I don’t feel as good as leg extensions.
I don’t do chest presses because I
don’t feel them as good as flies.
And their whole program is made of movements
that I wouldn’t consider mass builders because they’re
just chasing this one very specific field.
So that’s a weird topic, too, where, depending on
the individual, I have to kind of explain people. Okay.
What type of feel are you looking for? Because I get it.
I don’t think there’s any bodybuilder in the world
that’s sitting in the bottom of a PR set
of squats that’s like, oh, I feel this neat,
clean, and pretty contraction type thing.
No, your whole body is ready to fucking die.
Whereas if you go into a leg extension.
Yeah, it’s very isolated.
It’s a very specific feeling.
I pretty much never had someone on a leg
extension be like, I can’t feel my quads.
There’s all that stuff there, too.
That’s fun stuff for me because there’s
no textbook on that type of stuff. Right.
Like different types of feel.
And even at the end of the day, you’re
still, at best as a coach, talking about all
this external stuff and still just hoping for an
internal you don’t really know what someone’s feeling, ever.
You’re just trying to obviously base that on
communication, feedback, and all that good stuff.
With all these variables, you can put too
much weight into chasing one thing, and it
leads you down a rabbit hole. Right.
Whether that Beal and people are only going for the field
and that leads you down to a path of inefficiency, or
if you get down the other way of no feel, hey,
I’m spotting my fucking qualities are going to work each way.
That leads you down to just moving weight arbitrarily.
So there’s a balance to
strike between things, obviously. So you’re squatting.
You’re not going to have this deal.
But there’s definitely a way, like, when I get off
a set of, say, Hacks, it’s so demanding, right? Yeah.
I can only process a couple
of thoughts, like wallet mainly.
Like, hey, John, survive. Yeah.
But I get off the set, I’m sitting
around like, minute two minute goes by.
I’m like, Holy shit.
My quads are, like swelling with blood. Yeah. Okay.
This is probably a good exercise for quads, or I feel
some type of form of fatigue or tightness forming there.
It’s like, okay, yes, these are the type
of cues that I’m looking for there.
So you don’t always have to have
the feel while you’re doing it.
But there should be some occurrence along the way. Yeah.
It’s one of those things where it’s like and some
of it like you said, it’s like glaringly obvious stuff.
That’s the whole balance.
I have people where you take somebody on a
legit set to failure, on hacks, on leg press
on something where basically anything extending, any of the
joints extending can work a lot.
And so I’ll get people that get
worried at the end of the set.
Like, I started to feel my glutes a little.
I started to feel my calves a little. Is that bad?
I’m like, no, it means fucking your quads are done.
We’re just trying to find everything we possibly can.
And honestly all joke with people and
they’re like, they literally will get worried.
They’ll be like, oh, I was feeling
this a little at the end.
And I was like, well, if you start a set of
hacks and your goal is quads and all you feel from
rep one and all your warm up sets is glutes and
adductors, then to continue going and hoping we find some quads
at some point in time is kind of idiotic.
So again, there’s this balance of, like, on an
exercise, I think during warm up sets, at least
that’s the best time to have practice and have
rehearsal and utilize those, aside from hopefully beginning surgery
and there should be some type of feel involved. Right?
Like you said, I’ll have people where that is
some of the bodybuilding stuff that people do.
And I’ve seen bodybuilders where I can just see
it visually, where I’m like, you’re doing Hex.
And this is just a great adductor exercise for you.
And I can see from maybe the way they’re doing
it, and then I can see from their physique and
it’s like, well, at some point in time, like you
said, the good and the bad about Biblical, we just
get stuck in this groove where it’s like, maybe it
did fit at some point in time or we really
didn’t realize how much it didn’t fit or because of
doing one small thing wrong, it’s just regressed over time.
And so, yeah, there’s a whole lot of stuff to
look at in that there should be some feel at
some point in time during your working sets.
In a movement like that, everything should be
some form of, like you said, death.
And again, focusing on not dying.
Like working sets shouldn’t be
neat and clean and pretty.
But then when you’re done, like, the same thing you
said, that’s obviously a sensation to look for is where
do you have the most accumulation of shit?
Like you said, where do you
feel the most byproduct contraction?
Where do you have the most blood flow is
obviously going to be a good indication of, yes,
my quads are pumped as hell, and they hurt.
And even though maybe I felt my glutes a
little bit at the end, it’s not this giant
ass pump and my quads are doing nothing.
So all that stuff is stuff that you have
to just have to take into the equation.
And even that you never really even have a
specific because that stuff is not black and white.
Right.
So it’s like even when you have somebody where it’s like,
I feel it’s a little bit here, a little bit there.
It’s like, is there this clear cut line where
it’s like, okay, well, maybe this exercise isn’t effective.
Maybe we should do something else.
Maybe I should really focus on your form.
I mean, sometimes when you’re actually just trying to produce
results, you’re kind of somewhere in the middle and just
do what you can do until you decide maybe it’s
not the best fit or not the most efficient.
A lot of this comes down to, like, the
argument between action versus sensation and one people chasing
one versus the action and then creating setups.
And when that action occurs, we can over
time, develop that sensation for the individual as
we realize that muscle group within the action
that it’s supposed to happen with whatever setup
we provided to allow that to happen.
So can you ask for the viewers, like,
an example of something that with, like, Terrence
or with one of your pro bodybuilders?
That what that session structure looked like when
you were bringing it down to let’s relearn
the action of these patterns for whatever body
part you think would be best to describe
this, how that develops sensation over time within
reverting that movement pattern of the action. Yeah.
Honestly, I would say, like, bodybuilders are a different
group of people because the learning curve most of
the time is nowhere near as dramatic or doesn’t
really take nearly as long as an average person.
Like, for an average person, again, you’re Mrs.
Jones, your normal person that just wants to be
fit, maybe have a little bit of muscle.
It’s almost a complete waste of time.
I think to focus on sensation at any point in time,
it’s like you will just put them in the right positions.
And the reality is, if someone is doing a
squat pattern, doesn’t matter if we’re biasing quads or
biasing glutes or whatever, like in the beginning, probably
not once you lose 20% body fat, depending on
the person, and then they decide, hey, I want
some muscle here, then we progress to that point.
Most bodybuilders, it’s as simple as, again, depending
on who it is that I’ve got, depending
on how much time I’ve got with them.
I mean, I like to just always go through
someone split if I have the ideal time.
It’s like, let’s work through every body part and
you’ll just find a whole host of things.
So it almost always works with kind
of overdoing some of the simple.
I mean, there’s nothing super revolutionary again, with certain
muscle groups, obviously, things that maybe go through a
shoulder joint or even a hip joint where there’s
a lot of range of motion, a lot of
muscles that can do similar jobs.
I might work a lot on positioning, and obviously you
have a balance of what does it look like this
muscle is doing as far as the joint is concerned,
and then also getting feedback from the joint itself, even
though this is, is this a good position?
It’s a good position for my PEC, but this
is a better position for my shoulder, whatever.
So there’s some positioning and things.
A lot of it is probably the only time that
I’ll use tools like tempoing and pausing, because some of
that’s just people don’t realize even at the high level
of people that are just dropping eccentrics, it’s not like,
again, it’s nothing magical that I’m doing that’s.
Again, the protractor type stuff, but getting people to
lower the weight and me giving them constant feedback,
like saying simple stuff like lower the Peck.
And I’ll do things where maybe I have
someone pause, maybe sometimes I use manual resistance,
just having them push into something, create that
initial contraction coming from that muscle.
That’s where again, it’s honestly
different from person to person.
But that’s a typical thing with a bodybuilder.
It’s literally just kind of getting them to lots
of times slow things down, go into some different
positions, go into some of that stuff.
Especially where, again, there’s a thing
I focus on is end ranges.
So it’s again, focus on, can you
actually feel what you’re initiating concentric with?
Can you actually feel that you’re lowering the centric
with the train muscle, pause on those transitions to
make sure there’s no bouncing, there’s no momentum.
And then like I said, it’s a
whole host of feedbacks from there.
Again, credit where credit is due from RTS
stuff is some of the best stuff.
Again, it’s nice to have just a giant
pile of cues in your trainer toolbox.
And they’ve had some of the coolest ones
where you just bring people’s attention away from
what a lot of people think about even
bodybuilders, like moving from here to here.
And people like, oh, you know, I think
about that, but are you really thinking about
okay, well, where does this muscle exist.
What are we actually moving?
All this stuff is extra stuff.
So if I can give a specific queue that
focuses on something closer to that muscle organ and
insertion, lots of times that really kind of gets
some wake up calls for people.
And so like I said, there’s a whole
bunch of different stuff I’ll use again from
stuff I’m trying to give them internally.
And I say, hey, try this, try this. Did that help? No.
Okay, try this one. Did that help? Cool.
Let’s keep thinking about that like I said, and
then some of it like I said, even like
tactile stuff as well, too, whether I’m either giving
them something to push into to change their thought
process or even touching stuff that obviously they’re training.
Obviously touching tissue has been
shown to have an effect.
And not that you need a study to
show that, but just something to help bring
attention to, obviously, what the goal is. Yeah.
I mean, there’s a whole host of different things that’s some
of the stuff that I look at, I would say some
of the main things that a lot of people get.
And like I said, obviously we’ll keep saying
the same thing, but there’s a lot of
nuance and then different from person to person. Right.
I think if you’re trying to advance yourself as a bodybuilder
and you’re going to like this other coach for this new
approach, a lot of times you have to just also not
be a lazy bodybuilder and realize that there’s going to be
some learning that you do need to do.
Because a lot of this, what you’re generating
is this internal stimulus that’s what you’re after.
So you need to have to be able to line up
joints and like, say you can’t afford Joe Binnet or XYZ
coach, you’re going to do this on your own.
So basic study of muscle origin insertions.
Where those fibers run, then are your
limbs moving through where those fibers align?
I know that can get super complicated looking at
joint angles and degrees, but it’s really fairly simple.
A lot of this is already intuitive, but I
think some of the muscle groups we don’t like
see in the mirror, at least I see challenges
are like you don’t have your back.
So someone’s doing a row or a pull down and
it’s harder to visualize, like where those fibers are running.
And what part are you training?
Those are some of the areas that I’ll see.
So simply aligning people correctly, like you said, get people using
that muscle that you’re trying to target more efficiently and kind
of like once you move past that, there are some nuances
probably in setups that can engage that more, which I’d like
to see your thoughts on which some of it is from
someone’s initial set up going into your session, are we going
to have them first, do some type of activation work with
maybe is getting the muscle short with like a band to
kind of prime that.
Is that not even something you do when
you go right into like, big compound movements?
Or is it like, hey, no, we’re going
to pre exhaust with a shortened state, like
isolation exercise, then go to your compound movements
and then to finally wrap that up. Joe. Yeah.
What is optimal, right? Yeah.
If we have like, hey, I feel everything.
I execute everything. Perfect.
What is an ideal set up?
Is it compounds and activation somewhere? Yeah.
If there’s one thing and I’ll use myself as an example.
And so I’m not throwing anybody under the bus, but
it’s everybody, I think doing some sort of intelligent prep
with the joints involved and the main muscle groups involved
that day is always a good idea.
And for no other reason than the fact that
bodybuilders don’t ever move their body outside of where
they train them and outside of where maybe they
hit poses pre contest for a few weeks when
they’re tired and do a shitty job at it.
And so if there’s one huge area of opportunity
that I honestly think it’s funny, I’m not again,
not going to say everybody, but again, talking about
bodybuilders and some of the things that bodybuilders are
great at have great work ethic for they do
these things, they prep their meals.
But man, people are still lazy with doing
stuff that they think is boring or tedious.
Some of the things that I think as far as
specifics, as far as am I going to look at
this muscle involved, am I going to take it?
Am I going to fully shorten it? First?
I’d say it’s a pretty individual thing, and I
would say lots of times I will definitely default
to that if someone can’t feel a muscle.
So if I have somebody that’s again, they’ll
come self admitted, they’re a good pressure, they’re
strong, but their chest is shit.
Then I might do some stuff like that.
It’s like, let’s just find your chest.
And there is a reason I gave the
example of, okay, here’s your bicep thing.
I mean, you can make some science
arguments for it of the neurological complexity
of that position, Bob, who cares?
You can feel muscles really much
easier in the short position. Right.
If someone can’t feel their pecs, can’t feel their quads
again, I’m not going to take them to the bottom
of the squad, start to try and find them.
I’m going to fully short and
I’m going to fully contract.
I’m going to start to connect them with that.
And again, this is nothing revolutionary.
Like I joke that bodybuilders have been preaching
some degree of posing pose before you train,
pose during your training, pose whenever.
And it improves the mind muscle connection, which I think is
100% true, I think is a brilliant thing to do.
If there’s something that I do, just
a slight I’m trying to remember if
I made something remotely clever to call.
But it’s just like more like strategic posing.
If some poses were good and some poses don’t
where it’s like, well, there’s not really a pose
where you’re fully shortening your lap or whatever.
There’s not really a pose where you’re
quite completely, fully shortening your pecs.
So it’s okay.
Well, that concept is really good.
So that can be used for a training tool.
I think for people that literally they’re
kind of at ground zero of execution.
So I might start with that and work backwards
again, because if I have somebody that’s a great
fucking pressure and they literally don’t feel their chest
at all, then, yeah, there’s not a whole lot
of points to move onto.
Well, let’s do some compound movements.
We already know you can’t do those.
So let’s just find this pack existing in
the main joint influences, and let’s start there
and then kind of work backwards.
But even for everybody else, I think, again, the
way that I like to do most of my
prep stuff now is just looking at the joints
involved and taking it as an opportunity to move
them through as much range as they have available.
And I honestly think if everybody builder
did that, their training would be better.
They would mitigate risk for injury.
They wouldn’t turn into muscle
bound people that can’t move.
Because again, I don’t think this sounds it’s two
different things, but I don’t think it’s the training
at all that makes people muscle bound.
It’s the fact that they don’t move.
They don’t move anywhere else
except for where they train.
So for me, on paper, I have a hard
time arguing against before you train doing something.
So again, just so people don’t think this is
completely abstract, if I’m doing an upper body thing,
I might literally take my depending on what I’m
doing stuff, I might take my shoulder blades through
as much range of motion as they have available,
which again, people when I say that big abstract
thing like, oh, that sounds complicated.
It’s relatively simple, but it’s a little bit
tedious and people don’t like to do it.
So what does your shoulder blade have available?
I mean, it can elevate, it can
depress, it can retract, you can protract.
Basically, if we put points there and we
say, well, what is the extremes of that?
It’s a big circle.
So literally it’s as simple as before.
Any upper body session, I’m trying to
take my shoulder blades through as big
as circles as they have available.
And same as anything else, people
get caught on the wrong stuff.
Well, how many reps should I do? How many sets?
If you did it once, it’s
better than you’re doing right now. Right.
And so I might do a few circles this way.
I might do a few circles that
way, move on to the next joint.
I might go from proximal to distal or whatever.
So then I might look at my GH join.
What’s your GH join?
Just where that’s the I always joke
it’s where the arm bones, it’s in
the shoulder, whatever the little song goes.
But it’s your humor sitting in
the side of your scapula.
And what does that have available
aside from all this stuff everywhere?
It’s got isolated rotation.
So I might do some isolated internal external rotation.
Then I might do a combination of a whole lot of stuff.
So I might do some big circles, which is really
a combination of GH storing and your scapula moving together.
I might look at what do my elbows have?
What are my wrists have?
And just doing something where again, because
bodybuilders don’t go to those places, right?
I mean, bodybuilders for some reason, rarely will.
They fully elevate and fully protract at the same time.
They might do some retraction.
Pretty often they don’t explore the other spaces.
And same for every single joint.
And if there’s a thing that I think causes dysfunction,
which is really a tough thing to define, it’s the
inability to go places that you’re supposed to be able
to go with your joints under your own muscle control.
So on paper, the optimal thing, I think is every
single person should, if you do it over the course
of your split, take all your joints to the full
range of motion that they have, if for no other
reason to preserve what you already have.
But then also I think it’ll improve function.
I think it’ll improve training.
And all that stuff is just a strategic warm up.
I find if you do all those circles and all that
bullshit before you grab a bar and put it in your
hands, you need less reps with the bar in your hands.
And that’s always something I’m thinking of.
Even if warm up sets, if I can cut your warm
up sets in half, as far as the actual volume of
your warm up sets, that’s not going to matter to Mrs.
Jones.
But that matters to you.
That matters to people that again, are getting on the
Olympia stage and basically, one way or another doing things
that aren’t great for I want my body to function
as well as possible when I’m 90 years old.
And so my optimal would be people do some stuff like
that, which takes three to five minutes before they put a
bar in their hand and then just do their normal warm
up stuff and go on and carry on.
As an added bonus, I don’t do it all the time,
but depending on the day, if you want to take a
muscle and fully shortened it, get a band or even just
get your body weight, it’s never a bad practice, right?
I mean, that’s the joke of what’s
the point of a warm up is.
Half of it’s a neurological thing.
You need to have some contractions
before you can have maximum contraction.
So the same thing.
If I just do some of these here’s my
PEC warm up, I’m going to press my hands
together, focusing on contracting my PEC five second isometrics.
If I did a few sets of that again, that would
probably be something that would save me some sets of this.
So ideal people move their joints before they train,
get into your warm up sets, think a little
bit more strategically when you’re going through it, and
then bonus stuff is sometimes fully shorten some stuff.
Get work on that mind muscle connection.
If somebody really has a hard time with feeling
a body part, you might do more of that.
I think that can absolutely be a great case for
what you said, doing some sort of pre exhaust, just
if nothing else, even if on paper it doesn’t make
the most sense, maybe long term it can make a
lot of sense just where again, if you’ve never felt
your chest before pressing, then pressing is useless in your
programming at this point in time or relatively useless and
then slowly getting less useless.
Hopefully if you find things that you
can start to feel and work out.
So yeah, it’s just kind of an individual thing at
that point as far as how I would implement all
that stuff and how I would use all that stuff.
And at the same time then ideally I think it would
be good to train those end ranges as well too.
But again, using myself as an example, I’m
just lazy sometimes and I don’t do it.
So there are times and I’ve set it
up and I’ve done programming for myself, honestly
for this as much as anyone else.
At the end of this session I’m going
to work on end range external rotation.
I’m going to work on end range protraction,
actually put some load there and then structure
over the course of my split.
Maybe I’m getting a lot of the
big stuff covered and actually train it.
But again, sometimes I’m lazy and I don’t do that shit.
As a bare minimum, if I move things before I
train them again, I’m at least utilizing ranges that I
have available just while you touch on it.
Because I’ve done a similar setup like
go through range motion mobility work.
Maybe that leads into some type of stabilization exercise of
some sort, then I’m going to my main movement.
But you brought up point about training in ranges
of movements that are maybe more quote unquote functional
or just areas where you don’t get into right?
Like hey, we just press in this
line, this horizontal line, but we never
do anything internal externally rotated.
But at the end of the session, if you had someone
that had a lack of stability in that in range because
they never go into it, putting it at the end of
a session, do you think the ability to learn and gain
stability strength with a lack of neural efficiency at the session
just because they’re attacked from training. Right.
You train, you’re logically taxed to learn
new movements or strengthen those areas.
It might be more challenging.
Would you think maybe putting like, hey, we expose
this weakness of external rotation stability, should we be
putting that at the beginning of the session instead?
Or I’m sure your application at the end
is a different thing on its own. Yeah.
But Where’s your mindset lay on that. Yeah.
And so again, I’ll say this because it’s
the thing I have to say, but people
are going to get tired of hearing it.
It’s individual dependent.
Now, let me clarify that it really
does depend on the severity of work.
Do we really have dysfunction?
Again, that’s the funny thing is saying if I
expose, oh, this person’s shoulders are messed up or
they can’t do this or they can’t control that,
well, what’s really the cause of that?
And so, again, I honestly think that’s, in
my opinion, actually one of the lies of
corrective work is that it’s this strength discrepancy,
your external rotators are weak.
So we need to get in and
we need to train your external rotators.
So they have this kind of balance thing.
And there’s not that the concept is completely wrong.
I’ve learned some very interesting stuff.
We’re working with the high enough level.
Paulkin was huge on that.
Pulkin had all these indicator lifts, whereas if you want to
be able to bench press X amount, you should be able
to externally rotate X amount of weight or whatever.
And so I do think the notion that balance has to occur.
If you took a look at the size of some twelve
year olds, an external rotator of the rotator cuff and said,
okay, well, we’re going to put that in someone that wants
to bench £500, it’s not going to happen.
Now, that being said, someone
that can bench press £500.
Does that mean that they did all of
this stuff to have that muscle hypertrophy? No.
As you go along, a lot of those stabilizer
muscles, they’re going to hypertrophy at the same rate
as everything else because they have to.
Because even though we’re not training them
in the traditional hypertrophy method, they’re still
getting exposed to progressively greater force and
they’re basically doing their job if your
shoulder joint doesn’t disassemble.
So I think where people have, again, these dysfunctions
occur most of the time, it’s a neurological thing.
And so, again, if it’s a neurological thing, I
think, again, there’s a lot of complicated stuff that
goes into how do we fix this neurological thing?
But I think the tool that trainers have and
individuals have is to take muscles into their end
ranges and things happen in those end ranges.
So again, if we look at the physical
therapy world, we look at the corrective world.
There’s been a ton of studies
done on what do isometrics do?
What do isometrics do as far
as carryovers and range of motion.
This is why I say if you do isometrics in
this range, you can show that there’s going to be
a carryover and strength and range of motion to whatever
ten degrees one way or the other, up and stuff.
And so again, whatever the hell that
means something neurologically changes, something happens.
And I’ve read Mat has their theories
on here’s what’s happening and other people,
I don’t think it really matters.
It matters for somebody that
that’s their whole job, right?
If they’re diagnosing and prescribing shit.
But for bodybuilders, if I say taking things to
end ranges seems to help fix stuff sometimes.
And so if I had somebody that had the
shoulder issue, that’s actually why I like to do
all that end range work first minus load.
Because again, if I just take someone into
complete external rotation, they just perform an isometric
there with literally their own body weight having
resistance of opposing tissue, maybe resistance of actually
where a joint gets to bone on bone,
I think that can have corrective merit.
And again, if it’s you realizing, maybe
can I actually retrain this thing?
This is the tedious shit that no one wants to do.
Somebody has scapula issues, shoulder blade issues, and
I say, hey, the first place to start
is do some shoulder blade circles.
Work on the quality of that to where
you have great control at every single position
that your shoulder blade can get to. And it’s extreme.
And then I might start prescribing frequency.
Once you can do it really well, do
that five or six times a day.
And then people honestly ask it’s the same people.
It’s like, how do I fix posture?
And it’s like, well, how did you get bad posture?
You chose a position that was more comfortable for you
to be in and then you repeated it in frequency.
If you want better posture, choose the position you want
to be in and repeat it at high frequency.
It’s one of those things where I think some
of that shit is really tedious to actually fix
and most people just don’t want to do it.
All that being said, getting
more complicated down the road.
That’s why I said at the end of things, I
like the notion of maybe this isolated and training.
It just your semantic standpoint that even though you’re in
a fatigue state, the way that I prescribe doing it
is you’re only going to ranges that you can control.
And lots of times it’s still doing like isometronic.
So pressing into something.
And I think it’s a very good way to produce
at least more isolated force than you would during your
normal training at the same time not really exceeding whatever
capacity you have at that point in time.
So even if you’re pushing relatively as hard
as you can into some unmoving object, you
can’t produce more than your body is willing.
Whatever you’re pressing in is how hard
you’re getting back, you’re not going to
exceed what you’re capable of doing.
So some of that is, again, just a little bit
of a matter of there can be a time and
place for like, oh, this whole joint messed up.
We need to do this whole deal before
we take a bigger picture, look at it.
But all the time, especially with because I do
it the way I do myself, the way I
work with parents, you know how it is.
Especially it’s like even if you’re only doing one show
a year, you only have so much time, right?
There’s never really going to be a time where
I’m like, hey, Terrence, let’s take off six weeks
and let’s relearn some patterns, blah, blah. Yeah.
The reality is you train your ass off.
You’re not technically doing anything perfect, ever.
You’re always dealing with, hey, this is
starting to get a teeny bit inflamed.
Okay, let’s adjust the movement.
Let’s work on some stuff there.
Let’s see if we can have that kind
of correct itself while we go over here.
Hey, we did, we came back. That’s fine. All shit.
Something else is starting to hurt now.
So there’s always these moving parts.
And lots of times you’re just again,
staying within my scope of practice.
I’m like, let’s just work on these specific things and
then see how well we can have that potentially help
or correct while we’re still moving towards this bigger goal
where if I had someone that was like, hey, my
goal is for my body to feel as good as
it can possibly feel when I’m 110, I certainly wouldn’t
be prescribing bodybuilding type stuff, right?
Yeah, absolutely makes sense.
Of course, it’s individual.
And I think getting training in
the end ranges absolutely hasn’t.
Especially at the end of a session when
you do have some digits, it’s probably safe
to get into those ranges now.
But like you’re saying, the extreme of that, if
you have someone that slacks complete instability, and maybe
that would set them up for an injury.
But for others, this is something that can
be fine on this topic, Joe, because this
is kind of getting into, like, fatigue management.
You have injuries that crop up, we have them.
We kind of have to work around them,
connective tissues, can get some fatigue in it.
I think fatigue is kind of coin now.
Everyone talks about fatigue.
It’s like, well, what the hell are you talking about?
But how are you handling a session of
like, hey, the muscles fully cooked, retraining chest.
We know it’s done now.
And what are we doing to manage
that from one session to the next?
Because, hey, we could Fry chest today, but also we need to
be able to train back the next day, and then we also
have to be able to train chess in a week.
How does that look?
Just an individual session management.
And then I would like to get into how
you manage deal more longer term fatigue management strategies.
Yeah, I think that’s the thing.
Again, people over complicate a little bit is
again, you have to establish that baseline.
I talk about this a lot now.
I think more people are talking about, which is good.
But your base metric of volume is a rep. Right?
So again, we want to get as much out of
that single base metric before we start to build upon
that and start to look at how many reps and
how many sets and how much total volume, etcetera.
So I really like the notion of, OK, well, we’re
doing that first, and then let’s start with as little
as possible and then literally just see from there.
And I think that’s when everybody and that’s
the beauty of bodybuilders, and that’s the balance.
Even when I look at bodybuilders and I look
at studies like you’re kind of saying with some
studies in the first place, technically it’s a controlled
group, but it’s actually less controlled than pretty much
any bodybuilder on the planet.
That’s an actual bodybuilder.
And that’s when you always got to take those.
There’s some things that are great
to compare from study to study.
But some of it’s like you and I
both know it’s like, well, what the hell?
Like you said, what were they doing before?
What else were they doing while
all this shit was going on?
And it’s like, it’s cool when you work
with bodybuilders because at least you have more
of a notion of what they’re doing.
But even this still you don’t really know for sure.
Right.
So at the individual level, it’s
like, well, let’s establish this literally.
No one else wants to say it, but I’ll say, I’m
going to guess this is where we’re going to start.
So we have a good solidified rep.
We’ve standardized the rep.
We’ve standardized basically.
How far can I take a set?
If I have somebody that is more advanced, I like to
see what we can get out of one set first.
So I’d say it’s fairly
safe to stay, relatively speaking.
I’m more of a low volume advocate, my default baseline
just being for what it is, what it is.
And again, working for semantics reasons is kind of
a top set back offset for most people.
That’s just two working sets in exercise.
And then literally, well, let’s see how that goes.
And so we’ll do a session.
And the way that I look at over
a complete session is how we taxed the
muscle where it’s capable of producing most force.
As a bonus, have we worked it
through its near full contractile range?
And then again, if we’ve taken those baseline of sets
that I’ve started with as far as possible, then let’s
just kind of see what happens so literally from there.
It’s like the same thing as people always ask, is this an
amount of sets good or is this not I don’t know, is
this amount of proximity to feel you’re good or not?
I don’t know.
And the thing is, I always say people
hate this answer, but because it’s people like
you’re just exposing what it is, people have
asked that they’re obviously not tracking anything.
You wouldn’t have to ask me, like,
how the hell would I know?
They say, Was it good that should
I train one rep short of failure?
Should I train two reps short of failure?
I’m like, well, if you’re making progress
doing it, then, yeah, the whole joke.
I mean, I’m not going to name names, but I’ve
seen some people, some bodybuilders that have taken their physique
as far as possible that I think generally stay three,
four, five reps short of failure forever.
And I’m not actually picking on
those people, which I won’t name. If it works.
It fucking works.
Why would you do more than you have to?
If two sets work, why would you do three?
If three reps short of failure works, why would
you train a failure unless you just enjoy it?
I implement.
And then basically we just say we’ll look at micro.
Can we go from session to session depending
on again, are we trying to do a
lot of big body parts like you said?
Am I putting a leg day here and
a back day here where I’ve got a
deadlift program and then everything’s just fucked?
Who knows what?
So there is some of that just
seeing what happens session to session.
But for the most part, it’s just, well,
let’s come around to that next session.
Let’s have conversations about everything that happened outside
of those sessions, and let’s see what we’re
capable of doing performance wise, moving forward.
And so, in all honesty, the
way that’s the beauty for me.
And I’m sure that’s why one of the
reasons I don’t do a whole lot of
online coaching anymore, it’s a lot to manage.
And I think gym performance
is the most important thing.
And unless you have people really good at showing
you what they’re doing and knowing how they’re doing
things, all the rest is a little bit tough.
And so that’s the beauty of I just
get to see Terrence every single day.
I have conversations.
John Meadows does all of
his nutrition and suffering, everything.
So I have conversations with him
about, where are we at?
Did you do some blood work? How’s that looking?
Just conversations about shit, like, what he’s doing
outside the gym, it might be like normal,
like, hey, how was your weekend? Shit like that.
But then I’m also finding out,
sleep good with sleep shit.
Was your food good, everything good?
Is your recovery good?
Is your stress good?
And so all that kind of stuff is like, we’ll
literally, we do do a lot of auto regulation.
We’ll have things where it’s like, he’s good enough at
this point, where for some reason, life stuff determined that
this session is not going to be a PR session.
We’re going to skip that session or obviously push
it back a day or whatever it is.
Get your meals when you get a good night’s
sleep, get readjusted from flying, who knows what, or
if we decide we’re going to come in.
But based on some conversations, is this going to be a
PR session or is this going to be basically we’re just
going to kind of hopefully keep where we’re at and set
ourselves up for success for the next session.
So there’s a lot of things where again, I would say
the way that I go about it most of the time
is just we kind of auto regulate like day to day,
and then just the way the bodybuilder schedule works out for
the most part, talk about plans for the year.
And then as far as de loads and things go,
lots of times it goes when he’s basically coming off
of a show in a period where again, maybe from
a nutritional supplement standpoint, he’s not going to grow.
We’ll just make some adjustments off of that.
And the big thing that I’ll do different
is we just cut the volume super low.
So if we have a de load phase, I always say it
doesn’t sound as good, but it’s really a D volume phase.
Lots of times.
We’ll have a few key movements that we
have in there that we’re still keeping, relatively
speaking, as heavy as we can.
Generally, I’ll even go into lower rep ranges
just to try and maintain and hold on
to whatever tissue that we’ve got.
And I might incorporate more of that kind of
corrective shit just because generally we have more time.
So we might spend some more
time moving shit before a session.
If I’m actually being good, I’m making him do
the same shit that we’re both supposed to be
doing after every single session as well too.
And then basically it’s a few weeks of
that and just slowly taper stuff back up.
We’ll start kind of baseline,
hey, here’s where we’re at.
We’ll see what happens from there.
And if we taper things, we taper things.
And that’s the big thing too.
Even with me, I don’t adjust volume a whole lot.
Even when recovery is going great, I just find
I’d rather have I always think I’m trying to
remember I’m not saying this is a negative thing,
but I think Mike is retail.
All this stuff is a lot
about having maximum recoverable volume.
I think those are the
points they’re always looking for.
And again, a lot of his stuff is great.
I don’t want anybody to think I’m saying any
of that’s negative, but I honestly just see how
long can we progress at minimal recoverable?
Like what’s the minimal volume,
minimal effective stimulus volume.
Can I coin that or whatever?
I think everybody says that, but
that’s what I’m looking for.
I want volume at a minimum at all.
Times where I’m still progressing from
session to session with everything else.
Everything else intensity related.
And as long as terrace and whoever I’m working with is
laying down tissue, for the most part, I keep it there.
And then, honestly, some of it is
just being transparent is fun stuff.
Like, if it’s recovery is good, you
want to do something stupid today? I’ll do it measured.
We’ll never go from doing like, two working sets
on the hacks, like five to just fucking make
them Puke and do strip sets and stuff.
But it would be like, hey, we did two this last week.
Everything’s feeling good.
You want to do something stupid on this last one?
We’ll strip some plates and do something horrible.
Yeah, fuck at it.
And I think when it’s like being honest, can
I say that if he can recover that from
that volume and it’s appropriate, is that more effective
than had we not done that? I honestly don’t know. Right.
It’s like I’ll do that stuff when I know
that his recovery is the best, he’s in the
best surplus, he’s getting the best sleep.
And it certainly doesn’t hinder results.
But to say that I really, really accurately track.
Okay, well, this was this many
working sets, this was this many.
This time I incorporated an intensive fireball blonde.
I know that this is more effective.
I mean, I honestly think, like, when some
people talk about that, I just don’t know
how they can definitively make claims about.
We tapered up the volume and this was better. Whatever.
Like, what did you actually compared to?
Like, again, there’s so many fucking
moving parts all the time.
Even with someone that has fewer moving parts
than the rest of the population, I’ll say
some of it’s just educated guesses.
It’s balance of what makes sense on paper, what’s
fun to do with your training, some of it.
What can you get away with?
Maybe this is better, maybe it’s not. I don’t know.
So that’s kind of my approach to most of that stuff.
I don’t know if somebody wants
something more fancy than that.
But again, that’s the beauty of again, I’m
so used to coming from a place where
I’ve always worked with clients in person. That’s it.
Again, from literally when I was thinking beforehand when I
was doing my own workouts and I had training partners,
I was always the one that led the workout.
And then when I started training people in person,
when I was 20, started training people in person,
then doing it full time, 22, 23.
And that’s what I’ve done my whole time.
So it’s like when you work with people in
person, I honestly don’t think it’s as specific as
some people want to make it out to be.
When it’s this abstract thing, when we’re just talking
about we’re doing a post about something and then
we’re arguing with somebody else, that’s my biggest thing.
Stuff that pisses me off if there is
something that pisses me off, it’s people that
want to waste time arguing online.
The only thing someone’s telling me that is
they’ve never worked with people in personnel.
How is this argument helping anybody?
No one’s ever learned anything
from an Internet argument.
They just see an Internet argument.
They maybe tack on their side and feel
better about themselves, or they tack on the
other side, feel better about themselves and go
away feeling like, I got that guy.
No one ever changes their opinion, right?
If you’re in person and you’re
trying to help people, that stuff.
It’s just like, that’s why I said
the stuff can go out there.
And that’s the joke with anybody who hasn’t
seen that with the baby handle thing.
When I was going back and forth with Fooad real
nice is obviously Foo wise are grown up eating.
Obviously take it personal.
But if I was working with fooled in person and
he said, hey, man, this is my favorite back exercise,
there would have been no further discussion after that.
I would literally have never had a problem with him
doing a T bar row with this handle every single
day that he ever went to the gym.
Because what the fuck is that?
Like again, if he likes it and
he gets results from it, great.
The whole point is like, well, I’m going
to give some people some information to have
to make educated decisions for themselves.
But I’m sure if I was existing outside of the
social media world and just training someone in person, I
wouldn’t fucking touch it with a ten foot pole.
This is your favorite exercise? Great.
This is going to be
the cornerstone of your programming.
Let’s carry on with your life.
So again, when people want to argue about that shit,
I was like, this has nothing to do with nothing.
This isn’t helping anybody.
It’s like, I don’t know.
So anyway, that’s a long range.
I don’t even remember what the
hell the first question was.
But something to do with that for sure.
I think a lot of this, too, comes down
to, like, your ability to critically think and apply
these discussions that we have in which we discuss
how these variables influence another variable.
It’s good to know these things on paper.
But then the auto regulatory fashion of managing individual comes
down to the ability of someone to critically think and
apply these thoughts and how someone is going to be
able to recover, which I think is interesting things to
pull out is like someone as successful as yourself when
you’re managing someone as a pro.
Like, Terrence, it’s really just that week to week
conversation of how is that recovery capacity doing?
Okay, maybe take this program a little bit further
than we’ve been taking in the last few weeks.
And that is where setting up communication
structures within coach decline is very important.
If you are someone that works online, but I
think something to tease out real quick because I
know we’re running out of time that we didn’t
touch on is the conversation people sometimes have of
what does an optimal session structure look like if
not having issues with someone like contracting muscle, like
arguments of we should train shortened to LinkedIn.
There’s the argument we should load the
LinkedIn first because it’s the greatest opportunity
for mechanical pension, et cetera.
What does that optimal session look
like if there aren’t dysfunctional things?
Yes, an optimal session, in my opinion.
Again, if we’re going to the note of efficiency.
So the reality is again, the one asterisk I’ll start
with before we go here is if I think there
are differences where people can have good arguments for let’s
start short range and then go this range or whatever.
The end of the day, if a coach is actually producing
results, a whole bunch of it comes down to what does
he coach well and what do his athletes receive well?
And that’s the thing is I could have
somebody that has a completely different thing.
And that’s why I said that genuinely nicely.
Talking about Mike is Richard’s stuff is like the
way that he does it’s great for people to
have a fucking structured plan to follow.
Obviously, it’s very helpful to thousands of people.
It’s fucking great.
And that’s the weird thing is again,
people want to argue about shit.
I could have a coach that does
something completely different than me and I
could be like, hey, that makes sense.
Keep doing a good job.
So that’s the one last because the reason that I
like to structure things the way that I do is
I do think it’s still the most evidence from nerd
stuff that we’ve got now from what bodybuilders and everybody
has been doing for decades is to prioritize where muscles
can have the most mechanical tension.
I mean, again, depending on who
even some really good nerd stuff.
And you read Chris Beardsley stuff,
which I think is freaking great.
You have people that basically are saying
like, are there really other types of
stimulus that are outside of mechanical tension?
Because again, as far as I know, when they
ever actually try and take away mechanical tension and
look at metabolic things or whatever it is, you
can’t show an effect just from these things isolated
because again, in the real world application, they all
exist together to some degree.
As much as some people like to say, well,
this is more tension based and this is more
metabolic stuff based or whatever, it’s like, well, at
the end of the day, again, I think all
of those things coexist to a certain degree.
And I personally think there’s the most
evidence still for prioritizing mechanical attention and
prioritizing basically what’s going on.
There’s a little difference here. Obviously.
I always talk about bone to bone pool.
Yes, there’s a little bit different for it
really comes down to that individual sarcomire, where
can it produce the most force?
Because again, it’s even an internal thing.
But for the most part, if you just took a
muscle out of the body and you said bone to
bone pool, where can I have the most force?
You want to prioritize.
That what your muscles are capable of doing, and
then you want to pick things that do that
and cover as much range of motion as possible.
I think so. That’s the notion.
Again, when I say efficiency is important.
If I can accomplish maximal force production with one exercise
as opposed to two, I will always choose that.
And so if I’m picking something for a given
body part, I will prioritize first and foremost, something
that is a bare minimum overloads the midrange.
Very often it’s possible, and just kind of as a
matter of semantics, also overloads the length and range.
And then if it covers the shortened range, which
almost never happens with one exercise, then great.
So I will prioritize those as my meat and potato
movements, the things that cover the most range of motion,
matching what your body is capable of doing.
And then if a muscle is something where
I think it has a broad enough origin
to warrant biasing different fiber parts, then I
might consider that within training as well, too.
But so for the most part,
like looking at something like quads.
Again, a complete quad workout, if you have something
as efficient as a good pendulum squat, as a
good hack squat, you can cover, in my opinion,
90% of the quads contract range.
Just on that exercise, any squat pattern is still going
to probably biased the length and range a little bit.
So again, in my opinion, a complete quad
workout could basically be a squat pattern and
a leg press between there, you’ve basically completely
taxed the length and range.
If you didn’t quite get everything in the mid
range, the leg press is going to do it.
And as an added bonus, maybe every once
in a while do a leg extension.
Although I don’t think it’s important to train
the muscle fully shortened every single session, so
that’s a complete session for me.
If I look at a body part, if I’ve
covered those 90% of its contractile range, that’s it.
That’s the end of it.
So again, for me, a quad session rarely
has more than two exercises in it.
If we’re looking at pecs same type of thing 90%
of the time, I can get it done with maybe
three exercises just because, one, I want something where it’s
pretty much fully lengthened through the mid range.
And then the only reason that I might
again, I might have two exercises to accomplish
that between the press and fly.
And then I might add one more that maybe really
biases, maybe some upper PEC fibers and things like that.
But if you really go through body part
by body part, 90% of body parts.
I think we’re actually looking at individual muscles
can be trained with two exercises, and that’s
generally what I try and accomplish within programming
and then obviously lends itself if you’re doing
something like a push, pull, whatever.
So for a chest day for me, typically might
have three exercises for chest, two exercises for Delta,
one exercise for triceps, realizing again with my programming
if I’m covering everything else somewhere else.
But that’s a pretty typical type thing like that.
Again, something like chest or even late, maybe
being a little bit more complicated, maybe requiring
three exercises, but almost everything else.
If I can do it in two exercises, I do
it in two exercises, and then the only thing that
I’ll program from there, sometimes it’s a little bit of
a bonus, that’s meat and potato stuff.
When I say that, I mean, it’s
things that I basically log book.
I try and typical progressive overload over time.
And then I like to finish sessions with anywhere from
five to ten to 15 minutes of what I consider
kind of purely metabolic or pump work just for the
reason that whatever you’re doing at the end of the
session, I think obviously your fatigue.
So load is not going to be the main stimulus no
matter what you do, whether you want to do it with
different exercises or you want to do it in the form
of the same exercise and a drop set and extended set.
And again, what’s really happening there is it’s
something where we’re just having more forced production,
maybe through just a smaller percentage of overall
sarcoma, is actually contracting, individual fibers actually contracting,
or are we getting some benefit from just
a whole lot of metabolic byproduct a lot
of contractions in a short period of time?
Whatever the case is, I can program it
pretty easily, and if people can recover from
it, I think it makes sense.
So that’s a typical session for me is training an individual
body part with as few exercises as possible, covering as much
range of motion as I can, matching load the best as
I can, and then finish something that’s just as many contractions
as I can get, hitting as many failure points as I
can get in a very short period of time.
And again, if people are in a place where they
can recover, I think that structure works really well.
Yeah, I like that general set up,
and I hope people pull away.
The thought process throughout all of this is like
stripping it down just to like, what are the
logical thoughts of where the muscles lie?
Are we training those muscles
in the movements we’re selecting?
How can we officially do that?
And does it make sense to just repeat movements
arbitrarily if it already is in that range.
So if you’re flat bench, should you
go to a flat dumbbell bench?
It’s like, well, this is very
similar doing the same thing.
Why don’t we just maybe do another set on
the flat bench or something in that day?
This would bring in my question, Joe, is do
you feel like we do need to rotate exercises?
Session session, like having a session, a chest, a
chest B to varying exercises, maybe from a repetitive
movement standpoint or hey, we found a movement.
This is bang on like dumbbell bench press.
I hit my pegs perfect every time I go to any work.
Well, then it doesn’t make sense just to keep
dumbbell bench pressing and maybe we rotate exercises.
So what is your thought on like set rotation
or should that be more like every six weeks
we stall out, then we rotate a movement?
Yeah, I tend to say if I have something I tend to default
to, but to be honest, I’m pretty much 50 50 on this.
And I think it literally just comes down to
an individual and it comes down to a coach.
So I know that I think on paper, I think it makes
more sense to have your A and your B and just rotate.
And again, if you’re not working with somebody in person, particularly,
I think it’s just kind of like a little bit of
a kind of cover your ass practice where again, there is
this notion of doing this exact same pattern.
You might have some things happening to smaller stuff
that maybe you don’t want to have happen.
And just by getting out of that pattern a little
bit, you can help alleviate some of those issues.
So if it was something, again for
a coach out there, that’s programming.
And if you’re not with a person in person,
I think it makes a lot of sense to
have that kind of the AB rotation.
But the flip side of that is for me,
generally if I’m training someone in person, I try
and find the things that work the best, and
I tend to just run those into the ground
and then rotate when either it’s a stall, which
lots of times doesn’t really happen unless something else
is going on outside the gym, relatively speaking, or
we start to present with some items, something somewhere.
But I think it’s a good point to
take home as well, too, is people do
that either within one session or long term.
If you have an exercise that’s the fucking perfect
by your own, obviously one on paper, it’s going
to have to make some degree of sense.
And then an application, it’s your favorite exercise,
you perform well on it, you feel it.
Well, it’s by far that gets a ten out of ten.
And all the next exercises are six out of ten.
Some people will still do that.
They’ll do their bench press, whatever, and
they feel obligated to then go do
dumbbell press or flat machine press.
And it’s like even them knowing
I don’t feel this as well.
And I’m like, well, what the hell
is the point of doing it.
So I think some people in the face of
obvious evidence will still feel this notion of like
they have to do something for no real actual
reason other than maybe someone else did it.
So I think that’s important within
a session as well too.
That kind of like you said, you piggybacked
in nice with that is if you have
something that works great, don’t feel the need.
Like you again, there’s still this notion, like you
got to hit all the angles, which again, it’s
just some fucking sound bite that actually takes away.
Like what do you have?
Like I said, you’ve got lengths of a muscle.
You can definitely make the argument for training
all the different lengths you’ve got, again, different
origin, you know, muscles with broad origin.
But that’s it.
There’s no other fucking angles outside of that where
I got this angle, this single, this single.
And again, people look at an exercise
and think different exercise has different effects
and don’t realize again, sometimes it’s redundancy
where the effect is negative.
I just feel like they have to do
it for the sake of doing it.
So yeah, it’s one of those things.
Honestly, I really think sticking with the same where the
rotation comes down to the coach comes down to the
client, and I’ve seen great results with both.
But like I said, if I have to say I have
a little bit of a default for myself and people I
work with in person, I’d rather find the things that work
and fit the best and then run them into the ground.
And I’ll even have some things where for years
I would say we look over the course of
a year our big movement on some stuff.
We might spend 90% of the year doing one
movement and then just basically sometimes with a de
load, I will do it, just rotate it out.
Or if we hit a little bit of a Plateau,
rotate it out for a few weeks, but then put
it back in as soon as we’re ready.
And that’s again, that’s just a
little bit of a coaching preference.
I think it’s not necessarily saying
this is the way type deal.
Yeah, I completely agree.
There’s evidence now that we show there is like
regional hypertrophy within muscles and so many cases, maybe
there should be some rotation patterns there.
You don’t have to do it every single time, though.
I think the biggest takeaway from all
this is, and you probably agree is
hypertrophy is a very forgiving adaptation.
There’s lots of things that we
can do to accomplish this goal.
And is it like this is the
Joe Bennett way, that’s the only way.
And actually the Joe Binnet way is a flexible
way and just finds the route to hypertrophy through
whatever that individual needs, whether that is an AB
rotation or hey, we have an A rotation, but
only one movement is the one that we rotate.
There’s lots of ways to get there.
And I think to get there, you do need
to have this intuitive process that’s occurring, some auto
regulating, some general critical thinking that’s going on.
We do have some templates and some check boxes
that we need to adhere to as well, but
we shouldn’t go rabbit hole on one variable and
let that lead us astray and start chasing things
that don’t lead us to a more optimal outcome,
which that optimal outcome being hypertrophy, but with the
broad scope of lots of things work for hypertrophy.
So this is exactly why I wanted to have you on
here, Joe, is because you have a very logical thought process
of tearing down some very nuanced and items that can lead
people astray and just get, like, down brass tacks.
Like, hey, what are you thinking
when you walk in the gym?
How does the supply, what do you
feel and take away from it?
I think that’s why you’ve been
so effective over the years.
And people might take away of like, well, that’s basic.
If you really stripped it down, it’s basics.
Most people aren’t doing the basics.
You forgot the basics along the way.
I got you detailed.
Yeah, I think that’s a good thing
that you touch on as well, too.
There’s a balance from a coaching standpoint of the way that
I’ve liked to word it now is because there is.
I like teaching principles, and I like all that
kind of stuff because I think it leads to
people making the best decisions for themselves.
That being said, I also know what it’s like to
be relatively new or intermediate into something or just not
taking it remotely near the level where we do, where
some people are just like, shut up with all that
shit and just tell me the exercise to do.
And that is the balance where it said there is a
place where it’s like, I could have two different athletes.
Oh, my gosh, this is terrifying.
Doing the exact same leg workout.
It’s like, well, why the fuck wouldn’t
I if they both work great?
And I think on paper, this is a great place to start.
I think that’s a big lie, too.
Is everyone’s like, well, if you were
really personalizing everything, you would never have
anybody doing the same anything.
I’m like, get the fuck out of here.
I’m not going to give somebody some
weird ass exercise just so it’s personalized.
It’s not cookie cutter.
So there’s a bouncer, like you said.
Yes, I think there’s a huge and I guess that’s a
huge take home where it’s just like, if you could have
the notion that, yes, a lot of this stuff is basic
until you just get stuck with that notion of basic.
And that’s where advanced athletes have to
have some principle based thought process.
Because again, you’ll get somebody that says, well, yes, a
bench press could be a great exercise for chest but
there’s someone out there that every time they bench press,
it hurts their shoulder, but they keep doing it.
And they’re like, I have to bench
press, I have to do it.
And the reality is, if you just had some sort
of principle base, realizing how long your fucking form is
compared to the next guy, you could get the same
effect stopping half an inch off your shoulder.
And it could be I’ve literally seen shit as
simple as that, where people are like, oh, my
God, it doesn’t hurt my chest anymore.
And it’s like, well, that’s the same deal
where it’s like, oh, well, someone could look
at all this is very basic.
Yes, it’s very basic.
Until someone gets stuck in the specifics
of the semantics of that basic.
And again, if you don’t have any principles
to guide your stuff, then you don’t know
when to make those small little adjustments.
And that’s that funny thing. I don’t know.
I always Butcher this analogy because I
think it’s been a billion different ways.
But the whole analogy, if somebody has this $10 million yacht
and nobody can fix it, and they hire this guy to
come out and fix it, and he comes out and he
looks at it for a little while, looking all over the
boat, and he takes a wrench, and he fucking wrenches something
and says, well, see you later, 15 minutes later.
And then he sends the guy a bill for $20,000.
And the guy’s like, $20,000.
He says, like, what the hell is that for?
He’s like, well, $10 for the wrench and the other
19,000 or whatever, because I knew what to do.
And that’s the funny thing.
I think where it sums up coaches is like, I’ll
work with some people sometimes where the joke is I
think maybe over the course of a session, I’ll give
them one or two cues, and that’s it.
And then someone like, that’s it.
And I was like, what do you want me to do? Again?
The whole joke fucking protractor everything.
Sometimes it really can be the small
little thing that somebody needs, but that
should be a coach’s job, right?
I’m not going to fucking change all this shit.
Like you said, like, Joe Bennett.
Now you’re doing the Joe Bennett system.
No, I want to look at what you have, see
what you need to keep, maybe adjust some little shit.
And sometimes it could be as boring as that.
It’s literally maybe like one little thing.
But that one little thing could make a
huge fucking difference for somebody, even if it
is kind of simple on paper.
So, yeah, that’s the thing.
Like you said, a lot of it here
is like, no, this is really that complicated.
It’s like, well, yeah, I don’t really
want to over complicate stuff just to
be fucking this mystical gatekeeper of hypertrophy.
But there is some nuance in there.
And that’s why I’ll always have that balance of yes.
I always want to tell people I can just shit
on YouTube where it’s like, what’s the best quad exercise?
I get the point of those videos
because some people just want to.
I’m going to go and just tell me what the fucking do.
Okay, here’s some things to choose from.
Some actual written on paper exercises, but then always sprinkle
in some principles of like, well, maybe you’ll do this
range of motion or maybe this one hurts.
And this is why you would switch
to that one, that type of deal.
So I think it’s a little bit of a
tough balance as an educator and again, managing expectations.
If you want to take your physique as far
as possible, you have to have some of those.
You can’t just do the basics.
You just can’t do this on paper stuff.
You have to take some ownership of.
Like you said, I think I would say Dorian Yates is
one of my favorite bodybuilders ever for all the things that
he did just because again, it’s like he’s not known for
the guy that got off the fucking protractor.
I think it’s so funny that people
reference him as like, people are hardcore.
Don’t over complicate shit.
I was like, have you ever listened to
anything he said or read anything he’s written?
Yeah, he’s meticulous. He’s one of the first
bodybuilders really talking about.
I studied, I thought about a muscle’s origin
and assertion and really just about bringing those
points together and what could accomplish that.
And I’ve written stuff before I’ll write
again because I like to do it.
But it’s like if you look at his
famous programming, he followed the same programming basically
for ten years over his professional career that
obviously worked pretty damn well.
All of it was pretty innovative at the time.
Like, if you look at what guys were doing
and then what he was doing, he’s the guy
like, he didn’t do a fucking barbell slot.
He didn’t do a flat bench press.
Like, there’s all these movements he didn’t do because
he’s like, well, that shit didn’t work for me.
He was like, I figured out what worked for me.
And then I’ll joke, as people will do the
same mistake that people were making before him.
They’ll look at exactly what Dorian did and
say, we have to do exactly this.
I was like, that’s not the fucking lesson of Dorian.
Dorian said, I mean, he had some great.
There absolutely is some stuff that he figured
out that, well, his whole programming could be
a great place to start for somebody.
But at the same time, if you’re
doing something, it’s like, well, modified.
I remember having a conversation with Dusty and
him talking about how much like, dead stop
skull crushers work amazing for him.
And he’s like, I was talking to somebody and they’re like,
well, every time I do a man, they just rip up
my elbows and he’s like, will stop doing them.
He’s like, I wouldn’t do them if
they fucking ripped up my elbows.
And so you look at somebody like that, people
do that all the time to look at these
one off like, well, he’s got massive triceps.
He does these dead stops.
And it’s like, well, yeah, he didn’t say that you had to
do them or have to do them the exact same way.
And so I think that’s where again, people lose
a little bit of that, just critical thinking and
again, some sort of principles to guide them.
But anyway, that’s half the reason I love Dorian stuff
as well too, as he obviously did a lot of
the things that existed for a long time.
Obviously, his style training kind of existed.
He adopted and made of his own.
There was this progressive overload component, but
then he made movements his own.
He didn’t feel like he had to do specific things. Yeah.
Dwarfing has always been a fan of mine.
I ran his routine exactly.
Because back in the day I didn’t know
because I was like, oh, it’s Doreen’s routine.
Then I realized then you realize you
become the thinking man’s bodybuilder, right?
And you start to question, why am I doing this?
Can I explain why I’m doing each thing?
And once going through that process, then
you eventually could become a decent coach. Yeah.
Explain the whys behind the things
that you do if you can’t.
Can explain why am I doing this?
Bench press at a simple level.
It’s not hard because I work my chest.
Does it work your chest? Yes. Cool.
You know why?
I think just those simple questions are
great takeaways and to put a little
bit of critical thinking behind it.
But that’s what you’re great, Joe, and
so glad to have it on.
If people wanted to reach out and find you
places, where can we find more hyperchief coach? Yeah.
I mean, honestly, my two biggest platforms
now, Instagram is always number one.
So just hypertrophy coaches to handle on Instagram.
And I post there pretty much
daily, so that’s a good place.
If you’re not familiar with my stuff, dip
the toes and see if you’re interested.
If that’s not your cup of tea, then don’t go past that.
But I’ve been pretty good at one of my goals
this year is to have my YouTube be very consistent.
So my YouTube’s got a lot of content on there as
well too, for people that want to dig in further.
And then for anybody that really wants
to learn, I have an app.
I have purchased a Coach app and all that stuff.
Lincoln bio stuff.
You can go and research that looked
at it a little bit further.
For people that want to look at actual
programs, one of my programs look like, look
at my actual thought process and principle stuff.
It’s all on there.
But like I said, it’s good to dip the toes
in first somewhere else and just kind of see if
it’s your thing but yeah I appreciate being on man.
I’m grateful for having me on here.
Happy to hop on yeah, definitely.
And just to probe people more I am a member
on pursuit coach.com and if people that listen to this
come for education University podcast so Joe has great information
on dipping into training understanding the basics why you do
those basics why there is nuance what you should take
away from the nuance and actually apply it to yourself
so check it out if you want to go all
in in on learning more okay it’s a great site.
Thank you.
Thanks for coming on again and this is J three
University and we will talk to you all next time. Bye.